This is extraordinary. I noticed both Channel 4 and 5 really spending time over the past seven days ramping up the two programmes that were on last night; indeed...suspected certain people on here (with a couple who have already answered your question) would be rolled up with their mug of Horlicks, sparkle eyed waiting for whatever 'kick off' - or two-three-four - that may occur, and so the self-piteous 'last nights debacle', and the equally surreal 'I had the misfortune to watch...' scherzo just doesn't wash!
For a start, ladies and gentlemen...you had, on one of the programmes the oddball Lee Jasper, with his head up his rear (thinking Lee Rigbys' killers were immigrants)...not forgetting a certain Kate Hopkins in the house - who was obviously brought in to up the figures, with not only keyboard growlers switching on http://tv.uk.msn.com/features/katie-hopk...
And on C4...hauling in a Labour MP who had only seen three episodes of Benefits Street - and only recently, and having reporters and columnists from the Indy, Telegraph and political shiny mags. acting like petty chest-thumping 14 years olds at a school http://tv.uk.msn.com/features/white-dees...
Angelina; roughly 300,000 (UK) military personnel and between 60-70,000 people died in World War 2.
Well, like Angelina, I had the misfortune to watch that awful immigration debate on ch5 last night. I have never seen such an inept attempt at "hosting" such a show - completely amateurish. Btw I love how Angelina defines truth - seems to be anything she agrees with! There are facts about immigration but many don't want to hear them, just believing their own prejudices or what they read in highly biased tabloid papers. For heaven's sake you're only going to get opinion from the Express or the Mail aren't you? They use highly selective figures and play fast and loose with percentages and absolute numbers to scare people. Here are some facts you can get verified: if we didnt have immigrants we'd have no care services or NHS. Immigrants earn far more for the country in the taxes they pay than in the benefits they receive. Most people on benefits are pensioners and people in work. Just so you know. Did I change my views? Certainly not, this was a far too ramshackle affair and didnt really deserve any kind of serious attention.
After last nights debacle on Immigration on CH5 I wished I had never bothered to watch it. The audience had a vested interest in being in the country and shouted down any of what the panelists had to say. The poll numbers quoted were totally dismissed as being untrue and irrelevant. Two men in the audience spoke with eloquence and stated the truth, for instance one black man said that prospective employers tended to employ people of the ethnicity of the employer and another that if he went to live in another country he would be expected to learn the language and not rely on interpreters. It was a pity that he didn't add that other countries make a person pay for this service unlike Britain that spends ￡millions on interpreters.
One man, Lee Jasper shouted down any reasonable argument that was against mass immigration so the viewer could not hear what was being said.
It did not change my view and only reinforced my view that audiences are hand picked to save any embarrassment and have any reasonable debate.
The reason immigrants were invited to come to Britain in the late 40's and 50's was because there was a massive man power shortage due to the millions of men killed in WW2 and NOT because the indigenous men were lazy and was not stated at all. It was also interesting to learn that 11% of nurses etc employed by the NHS are immigrants which discounts the lie that the NHS would collapse without them.
I stand corrected, thousands of men gave up their lives and livelihoods fighting in WW2.
No. I've listened and found some of the opposing points interesting but they have never made me change sides 100%.
Well yes, i've heard people make good points about stuff I was ill informed about. But then I've heard people make good points and still stuck to my views.
TV debates confirm my stances, and my assumptions about who's smart and who's the idiot.
No, I tend to have the ability to stick to my own view...
found yourself switching sides? (In the debate,that is. Not as in turning over to watch something else) Or do they merely serve to reinforce the views you had at the beginning?
