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This is hilarious. We've got Agenda 21 copying and pasting the same old rant for the 1 millionth time full of conspiracy nonsense that not only doesn't make sense or fit together but was debunked in 2006. We've got some other dude talking about molten concrete... what is the melting temperature of concrete? I am dying to know. At what point does concrete become molten? I can't find any reference to it anywhere. If that block is molten concrete and steel why is the rebar in it still intact and why is there PAPER in that blob? Wouldn't the paper have BURNED off long before the steel and concrete got molten? That blob was created by COMPRESSION, not melting genius. It is 4 floors of the world trade center compressed together. You can even clearly make out each floor. Even if you want to claim molten whatever, so what? How did it get molten? When did it get molten? Why should we care? What is this supposed to prove?

Bentham pay-to-publish vanity journal article finds paint and calls it nano-thermite! Editor of said journal quits in protest of publishing stupid article behind her back.

Hilarious what you conspiracy nutters come up with.

And you people wonder why I won't play with you anymore.

Klara, I have to apologize for the folks around here. If you need real information about 9/11 you came to the wrong place. Try the JREF forum.

In reading Ryan's response I an only say I don't think there is a single item of totally un-substantiated or outright false woo he wouldn't fall for. Almost every single thing in his post is either a distortion or outright wrong. And the sad part is, it would only take Ryan a few minutes to verify that he is wrong on so many of these points, but he doesn't even seem to bother.

Some examples:

He says NIST didn't test for explosives. Obviously he did not read the NIST report which has about 30 pages dedicated to this subject (NCSTAR 1_9 Appendix D).

He says WTC7 collapsed in only 6.5 seconds when it actually took 42 seconds. The 6.5 second figure is arrived at by completely ignoring the collapse of the electrical penthouse and everything below the 18th floor. In other words, it is a lie told to push the "free-fall speed" meme. He makes the same mistake with WTC1 and 2 which took about twice as long to collapse as he claims.

He claims hundreds of witnesses reported bombs when in fact only a tiny handful reported "explosions", not bombs. Ryan doesn't know the difference, nor can he be bothered to interview any of these witnesses himself (We know who they are).

How does concrete become "molten" Ryan?

I could go all night but I don't have that kind of room. Shame on you Ryan. Shame.

9/11 and Sandy Hook. The two biggest tragedies to have befallen America in recent years,yet there are people for some reason (or no reason) trying to prove they didn't exist.?

I have enclosed a link to an extensive article on this terrible day when Islamic Terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the twin towers killing over 3,000 people.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Osama bin Laden radicalized 19 young men and had them hijack commercial aircraft for the purpose of using them as missiles against buildings that were symbols of American economic, military and political power in order to advance their own political goals.

What's to argue?

al-Qaeda high jacked multiple airplanes attacking the world trade center and pentagon. There are no arguments to this, there are videos of the attack as well as videos of al-Qaeda claiming responsibility.

The tragedy is well documented online, and it's obvious that your only purpose to to marginalize the tragedy with various conspiracy theories.

"i am making an essay"

Obviously not.

Well if you want the government version those are fine answers. If you want to be educated on why many people don't believe the official version then youtube "new pearl harbor", its a 5 hour documentary comparing the NIST report, the debunkers and the conspiracy theorists. But here is a few reasons the official version is questioned.

- Bush took nearly a year and a half to start the 9/11 commission for the investigation when in comparison, the jfk assassination and the challenger explosion took less than a week. Bush opposed the investigation still but to many people were demanding it.

-6 out of the 10 commissioners of the investigation have publicly stated that there were lied to by the white house, underfunded and do not have the whole story.

-NIST didn't follow their own guidelines for building disaster investigations by not testing for explosives. All the steel from the building were quickly transported to china and melted down before any forensics was done on it.

-Hundreds of witness have stated that bombs were going off throughout the building.

-world trade centers 1 and 2 collapsed in 10 seconds, which means 20% of the damaged building brought 80% of the healthy building down at freefall speed with no resistance.

-world trade center 7, a 47 story building that collapsed that day as well, fell at free fall speed at 6.5 seconds although it only had small fires on only several floors. which made it the only building in history to come down due to fire.

- the airplanes that hit the buildings were not cable of going the speed they were going at sea level. The planes were only capable of going upto 400mph at that altitude before the plane would start to fall apart. all the planes went an excess of 520mph when they hit the buildings.

-all the cell phone calls made were described "as if they were in the next room clear" although in 2001 cell phone reception was unthought of being connected at 30,000 ft. Not to mention the speed the plane was going, would make it impossible for cell phone towers to transfer from tower to tower without dropping the call. Family members of the phone calls also noticed how calm their loved ones were and how there was no screaming or backround noises.

-the fire damage at the trade centers were inconstant with the fires at the pentagon and penn crash

-many witnesses of the penn crash site have stated "there was no debris of a plane there" including the mayor and coroner of the town. there was also news coverage of plane debris 8 miles away.

-over 2000 architects and engineers have signed a petition for a re-investigation for all of the discrepancies in the official explanation of the collapse.

-Nist never mentions why the towers fell at free fall speed only what initiated the collapse. Nist also has not released the scientific research on their findings.

there is no evidence of any of the alleged terrorists being on the plane at all. they were not on the planes personnel roster. 2 videos were released, 1 is of 2 "alleged hijackers" going through a security checkpoint without incident. the other shows 5 suspects being searched by security but the video is not time or date stamped which is very odd. its also using a camera with a fpm which is a lot higher than almost all security cameras in 2001.

-many pilots have spoken out in the implausibility of a novice pilot maneuvering the plane the way he did into the pentagon, the FAA thought it was a military plane.

- out of 85 videos confiscated at the pentagon, 4 have been released and 0 show a plane

- molten steel and concrete was found and witnessed by many firefighters, jet fuel burns at a temperature no where near the temperature needed to melt steel.

- the hole in the pentagon does not account for 20 feet of the wings, 40 feet of the tail, or the 20 ft stabilizers. the schematic of the crash never accounts for the engines going through the building which weighed 9 tons each.

-the day before 9/11 donald rumsfeld stated the government is missing 2.3 TRILLION dollars of spending. on 9/11 the "plane" destroyed all evidence and the investigators tasked with locating this sum of money.

This is just some of the larger pieces of evidence out there that have not been cleared up by the official report. I am not going to get into the conspiracy of who did cause 9/11 but it wasn't terrorist. You can call me unpatriotic and crazy but i stand by these 3 quotes from the investigators of 9/11.

1. 9/11 COMMISSIONER co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

2. 9/11 COMMISSIONER Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . .

3. 9/11 COMMISSIONER Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

I have been serving my country over 6 years now including combat tours, my love for this country is second to none. President Eisenhower and Kennedy both warned of secret societies coming up through the ranks of our government. As unrealistic as all this sounds, just do me the favor and listen to the investigators, architects, engineers, demolition experts, fireman, witnesses, physicists, nobel prize recipients, military pilots and leaders who oppose the official story. Look at the history of false flag attacks, look at the money made by our government officials from these wars and then maybe it will hit you that we live within the most corrupt government the world has known.

Lol Clair, Clair, Clair. I knew i would get a debunker but at least i got an ignorant one. Let me smack you with some knowledge.

NIST has admitted they didn't test the steel or dust for explosive compound residue and were asked to after The open chemical physics journal had a article published of nano-thermite being present in the dust at the WTC.

The 6.5 seconds is the frame of the building, coming down in sequence in a perfect collapse. Nist's model shows the collapse come down in a manner that would result in a asymmetric collapse in their 42 second claim. The American Society of Civil Engineers and AE911 both have asked Nist for all their data and graphs on the scientific findings for this claim but so far Nist has refused to show any of their research.

As for WTC 1 and 2 i am going off the 10 seconds that NIST ADMITTED to the towers collapsing (you tell me to read the NIST report but your going to sit there and say that they didnt come down in 10 seconds, shameful).

Lol i dont know what an explosion sounds like? Lady in in Afganistan right now i hear bombs daily whether its our own or the enemies. No matter people have been asked and they say bombs, some say bombs went off in the basement before any plane hit the building. why don't you look up Barry Jenning or William Rodriguez or 1/3 of the fireman's written statements. Please go to youtube type "witnesses of bombs at wtc" take 20 min and you'll find many videos most of fireman and news networks saying secondary devices and bombs. Im sure the fireman knew what bombs sound like. There is also audio of explosions as well.

Below is what molten concrete and steel looks like Clair Maybe if you did spend all night you could of came up with something worth arguing over but thanks for playing.